Homosexuality and Judy's dad

[judydarling]

This is a difficult topic but I want to tackle it because I always wondered what made Judy's dad unfaithful to her mother and start seducing/molesting young boys.

Was it because he was a 'homosexual' or incapable of being with a woman? He can't have been because he fathered three girls.
Was it because he couldn't have any sons?
Was it because he'd himself been abused/molested and was just perpetuating the behaviour?
Or was he just confused?

I once had to write an essay for a uni psychology course on the Simon Le Vay experiment with 'gay' fruit flies, and abnormal sexual behaviour seen in animals, like rats. His hypothesis was that there was a 'gay gene' and that behaviour was chiefly biological, as opposed to learned. The animals with the observed behaviour had altered X and Y chromosomes, if I recall correctly.

But then the last week I read this book called "Altering Eden" about how scientists have observed all different kinds of animals exhibiting abnormal sexual behaviour - hermaphrodite male fish, and females acting agressively as if they were males and trying to mate with other female fish. And they had never observed this behaviour before, but only in the environments which had previously had high levels of pesticides and other chemical contamination. Something in the chemicals was altering the sex hormones. Something that acted like an estrogen, or was altering the estrogen receptors. Those exposed to the chemicals at birth would later grow up to be 'gay'.

[judydarling]

Continuing on from yesterday..

It seems environmental influences are to play in creating homosexual behaviour. I think the widespread use of chemicals and drugs ingested by people can create hormone havoc in the body, and lead people to be confused about their sex.

I think of all the people I know who have 'come out' as 'gay' and EVERY one of them had fathers who abandoned them from birth or divorced while they were growing up, or separated if they were unmarried. That is five I know for sure.

From reading biographies of people, those exposed to homosexual predators who molested them or seduced them when young then grew up exhibiting homosexual behaviour. In many cases, one of their parents died before they reached puberty, and so they were never taught by their mums or dads about the birds and the bees, or raised to believe in marriage as a lifetime commitment and the best thing to do in order to raise a family.

I found that quite interesting.

[judydarling]

Alcohol may also be a factor. Many people, under the influence, may have sex with anyone or anything, even animals. After they have sex they may not even remember who (or what) it was with.

There is also a drug that many promiscuous homosexuals use called 'sodium amytal' - I think they snort it like cocaine or something and it makes you want to have sex.

There are also drugs people use to spike peoples drinks in bars that make that person sleepy and easy to seduce. It's called in common parlance the date rape drug.

Judy's father may have been influenced by the people around him, common in the theatre world, where men can dress up as women and vice versa, often confusing people.

I have even heard people brag about the number of guys they have 'had', if you ever watch that HBO tv show 'Sex and the City' basically the girls act 'gay'. None of them have parents or family around them. All of them have sex on a regular basis with guys they've just met. None of them wait until marriage. All of them talk frankly about their sex experiences which are not private loving things at all but rather 'experiments'. Strangely though, none of them get STDs, and one only one of them gets pregnant.

[rainbowgirl]

that's a tough one. I think maybe he was drunk. Or didn't know what he was doing.
Maybe he was possessed by the you know who.

[rainbowgirl]

oh and didn't he die soon after? of some virus. Not Aids.

meningitis?
is that an sTD?

[judydarling]

Spinal meningitis I think it was.

I think it can be caused by the same germs that cause syphilis or gonnorhea (an STD) but I will have to look that one up.

Judy's mother was ashamed of her husband and did everything she could to keep the girls apart from him when she found out, to keep them safe. Judy didn't see this though. To her, her dad was the apple of her eye and her mother the villain for wanting a life apart.

Thoughout her years at MGM this was kept very hush-hush but I suspect people who knew the Gumm Family did talk, and it wasn't till a very long time after when Judy broke with MGM that her family's past came back to haunt her, and not till long after her death when everybody wondered just what went wrong in Judy's life that the general public knew about this.

[bogart]

I was watching this movie called 'de-Lovely' about composer Cole Porter's life and was pondering how it portrayed his homosexuality. It sort of glamourised it, saying he liked to experiment with men and was looking for 'love' anywhere he could find it (but he didn't actually know what love was) and that his hobby or 'interest' was men.

It didn't show how he became homosexual, or him as a young man. It just showed how he married a rich divorcee Linda who had come out of an abusive marriage and was willing to be married again to someone who was kind. She was instrumental in nurturing his talent and helping him in his career as composer and lyricist. She tolerated his man-friends (many of whom were just young clue-less boys, mostly actors in the theater or decadent aesthetes) but it did show she was hurt by it in the end, because he wasn't discreet.

When I watched it I just thought what a selfish idiot Cole Porter was - if his wife looked anything like Ashley Judd why would he have gone off with boys would have been my question. His music wasn't much either, once you've listened to one Cole Porter song, you've listened to them all. They are only about one thing - sex.

Judy Garland didn't put too much score by Cole Porter either. She HATED 'Be a Clown' and didn't want to sing it, saying it was stupid. Her movie 'The Pirate' was a flop, it may have been due to the execreble songs in it. 'Voodoo,' 'Love of my Life' 'Mack the Black' and 'Nina' are all terrible. It's entertaining to be witty, but when you overdo it you just end up singing like an idiot.

[judydarling]

Interesting. Most movies don't show why people behave the way that they do.

For example, in A Star Is Born, they totally omitted Esther Blodgett's granny from the movie. It seems like she doesn't have any immediate family at all, and moving to Hollywood didn't mean any family separation for her.

We don't see any of Norman Maine's family, wouldn't they at least have been concerned about his alcoholism?

In a movie like de-Lovely they don't show Cole Porter's family, especially what his parents would have thought of his lifestyle, or even if they were proud of his musical achievments.

[wow]

judydarling, have you been gargling bong water?