Was Judy a Witch????????????

[ScardeyCAT]

[glow=red,2,300]Was Judy a witch?[/glow]

The evidence - she wasn't permitted to live
she was a woman
she chanted three times 'there's no place like home'
it came true - there was no place like home
Judy didn't really have a proper home
Judy smoked cigarettes
Judy drank alcohol
Judy dyed her hair
She wore lots of makeup
She shaved her eyebrows off and they didn't grow back
Judy came back to life a couple of times when people tried to drug her
Judy took enough drugs at one time to kill a horse..but she survived[glow=red,2,300][/glow]

[rainbowgirl]

hahaha!!

omg who wrote this???

I thought Judy had dogs..she loved dogs and I know witches hate dogs. Or..they prefer cats.

[judydarling]

There was a post a while ago that reminded me once again how the 'Wizard of Oz' fairy tale had it's origins in Frank L Baums dabbling in the occult.

Today it might seem harmless movie but I think some of the messages in it are very occult. However there is some morality behing it, but it is very much rooted in Theosophy, which was popular in the 1900s for 'freethinkers'

Basically when Dorothy lands in Oz she is taken to be a witch by the people of munchkinland. Munchkinland, Oz and the Emerald City are all magicked and conjured up and ruled over by Witches and Wizards. That's why it has these out of the ordinary creatures.

How did Dorothy get to Oz in the first place? It was because she visited Professor Marvel while she was running away and he implanted the idea in her head. Professor Marvel said he could fortell her future and so Dorothy agreed. What she didn't know then was she would be prey to evil and apparently benign forces in the spirit world, as well as the occult.

[bogart]

I don't know if Judy was ever involved with the occult or wicca but I think playing Dorothy (even a good witch) had repercussions.

Many of the cast in that movie met sad ends, or they were unlucky. The tin man got aluminium poisoning, the witch nearly got burned to a frazzle (and green skin), the actress who played Glinda committed suicide, Judy died from a drug overdose.

Imagine dying by accident. That would be the worst. Judy probably woke up in the afterlife wondering what the h- was going on. Am I dead or alive? When Judy reached the other-side I bet she was non-plussed. I bet she said 'marvelous, I'm now invisible, after I'm gone, which I am, I get to haunt the souls of those who tried to destroy me'. What she did when Sid died I don't know. But I do remember a quote saying she didn't care for him after all.

I like to think she was reunited with the people who did love her.

[judydarling]

Interesting.

A lot of people don't believe in the afterlife and just think people get reincarnated but as Judy grew up as a Christian obviously that wasn't something she seriously entertained. Although she did say when her number was up, she wanted another.

I did read this book written by a medium that Judy Garland did appear to him out of the blue one day and told him she was worried about her daughter Liza going down the same drug addicted route she had been down. She appeared as she was when she was healthiest and he was very surprised to see her ghostly appartion, considering he didn't know Liza personally!

so maybe JG is floating around in the ether, waiting for Judgement Day. Who knows?
Lorna did say that when she looked in the heavens, she liked to think her mother was there with the stars.

[puffpuffy]

The actress who played Glinda did not commit suicide...her name is Billie Burke and she died of dementia. Clara Blandthingy the one who played aunt Em was the one to die from suicide..here's what Wikipedia say's on it

"Throughout the 1950s, Blanthingy's health steadily began to fail. She started going blind and began suffering from severe arthritis. On April 15, 1962, she returned home from Palm Sunday services at her church. Her residence was 1735 North Wilcox Avenue, Los Angeles, California. She began rearranging her room, placing her favorite photos and memorabilia in prominent places. She laid out her resume and a collection of press clippings from her lengthy career. She dressed immaculately, in an elegant royal blue dressing gown. Then, with her hair properly styled, she took an overdose of sleeping pills. She lay down on a couch, covered herself with a gold blanket over her shoulders, and tied a plastic bag over her head. Clara left the following note: “I am now about to make the great adventure. I cannot endure this agonizing pain any longer. It is all over my body. Neither can I face the impending blindness. I pray the Lord my soul to take. Amen.”

Her landlady, Helen Mason, found her body Sunday morning. In preparing to die, Clara had disposed of all her medicines the previous week. She told James Busch, a friend for many years, that they might be discovered if anything happened to her.

She was interred at the Great Mausoleum, Columbarium of Security (Niche 17230) at Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery, Glendale. Blanthingy was survived by a niece, Mrs. Katherine Hopkins, of Hayward, California. The actress was married December 7, 1905, in Manhattan, to mining engineer Harry Staunton Elliott.[2] They separated by 1910, and are said to have divorced in 1912. They had no children."

So thats what happened

[judydarling]

that's interestng.
I guess the pain of arthritis was too much for her? Interesting way to go..not sure if death by plastic bag is ideal..she died alone after all, no children.. hmm, to me that's a bit sad.

I have read a few accounts of Judy's death and it seemed that she had a slow death by the pills she took, it pretty much took years for her to die but she'd made that (subconcious?) decision early on.. be careful what you wish for. She could have ended it all in her 20's but she didn't.

I think we don't really, can't really see it all from our earthly perspective what really went on in Judy's mind, body spirit but I do feel she was torn between two masters - her worldly desire to perform, and her love of God. I think she knew she made some hugely stupid decisions in her life that she couldn't take back but she made the best of it. I read that Judy was very religious and prayed regularly...however in Hollywood they don't really do church (even if it was church, how could we know if in Hollywood it was all just show?) she probably had to work all the time.

The wicca thing I'm not sure..however any contact with the occult does open doors and gives Satan legal rights, and he only comes to steal, kill and destroy. What happened to Judy really didn't need to happen that's the tragedy of it.

[judyangel]

no. Judy's here with me!
I think there is a possibility she was decieved and unfortunatley was unable to break the spell. Death does release people from the curse though..I don't think she died by her own hand though.

[conwention]

Judy was like the street musicans of north Africa who used music to heal and drive evil spirits out of the sick. This is what Rock and Roll is.

[judydarlingguest]

really?!
Except Judy didn't use rock-n-roll music she wasn't into it.
I thought rock or rock n roll actually attracts evil spirits rather than drives them out.

I know when David played his harp he drove out evil spirits from Saul in the Bible.

[conwention]

Yes, Rock and Roll does attract spirits. Bad spirits yes. And I'm sure, evil spirits. I am a self centered person ( which is bad ) but it is my true nature, and I am attracted to these types of bad spirits in Rock and Roll and feel this is the true me. I don't open the door to the evil spirits. All of this can be applied to my love for Judy.

The music of Judy's time did use a greater range of musical subtleties and greater range of musical instruments to express feelings. Rock & Roll would have felt very limiting to Judy. But where a rock musician could conjure up spirits for a few minutes on his instrument, Judy would conjure up spirits living her life.

I think the story of David and Saul says it all.